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Unread postby rainbowgirl28 » Mon May 26, 2008 10:51 pm

Tim McMichael wrote:There is a possibility the year after next that I can help bring the vault back to OU, but it will require a lot of sacrifice on my part, and I am not sure I can do it. A year can bring a lot of changes, and there is still some hope. I will do it if I possibly can.


Tim, you're too good for NCAA Division I. That's an awful lot of restrictions to endure and hoops to go through just to get treated like crap most of the time. My two cents.

OU certainly has had a strong history in the vault and I do hope that it is able to rise again someday.

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Unread postby Tim McMichael » Tue May 27, 2008 2:18 pm

I know D1 is a bad situation by its very nature, but I loved the competitive atmosphere. It was like swimming with the sharks again, the bad old days, the all or nothing days, the dive into the dark and fight your way back out again days; rolling the dice with everything on the line hoping that skill and talent and effort have put a little luck on your side. I loved living there and it was good to be back.

It was also awesome to be wearing the colors again. It felt like it did when I first put on the OU uniform as a freshman. There is something hallowed about that tradition, and I thought I could help build it into something really special. There were some great athletes there that I couldn't wait to start working with. Every vaulter they had was capable of jumping in the 17s and 18s and that includes the decathletes, not to mention the ones who were on their way in. When I was told that it was over, it was hard to breath. It was all I could do to get through that conversation with any dignity.

Oh well, things probably turned out for the best. That life comes at a very high price. I'm probably better off doing what I do now. It would have been fun to give it a try though. I'm still reeling from the blow, if anyone out there wants to pray or at least think some positive thoughts in my direction I would appreciate it.

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Unread postby kat_vaulter » Tue May 27, 2008 3:56 pm

What happened to Mark Napier?

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Unread postby kev44000 » Tue May 27, 2008 4:07 pm

Who cares he works for an idiot, that does not have any thought for the student athlete. If he was smart he would get another job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Unread postby kat_vaulter » Tue May 27, 2008 4:43 pm

I agree! Just wondering why they are getting rid of his vaulters, since he was bringing in 2 studs next year. Why did Tim have to help out?

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Unread postby kev44000 » Tue May 27, 2008 6:42 pm

HE VOLUNTEERED TO HELP CHIP WITH THE PROMISE TO BECOME THE VAULT COACH NEXT YEAR. THE IDIOT HEAD COACH DOES NOT WANT TO INVEST IN THE VAULTERS, HE CUT THEM LOOSE EVEN TWO THAT HAD SIGNED IN FEB. NOW THE HAVE TO LOOK FOR NEW SCHOOLS IN MAY. THE COACH LIED TO TIM WHO IS MY SONS PERSONNAL VAULT COACH. THIS IS SUCH A BAD DEAL. IT WILL BE REALLY FUNNY TO GO TO AN OKLAHOMA MEET AND WATCH POLE VAULTING WITH NO SOONERS VAULTING. WHAT A DISGRACE. HOPEFULLY HE WILL BE FIRED SOON. I AM WRITING THE AD AT OU ALSO.

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Unread postby Tim McMichael » Tue May 27, 2008 7:28 pm

This is how this thing went down. Chip was as low as an athlete can go when I came in to help. He was recovering from a massive head injury due to a training accident that should have been fatal. Sometimes just bringing in a new coach can help restore an athlete's confidence, and I just happened to be available. This is no disrespect to Mark Napier. Helping Chip was THE hardest job of my coaching career, and we both nearly gave up multiple times. The physical, mental, and technical problems he was facing were multiple, and any one of them by itself was enough to devastate an athlete's ability to compete. You just cannot come back from an injury like that in a matter of months. Imagine continuing to compete knowing that you have lost at least a foot of potential height no matter what, and there is nothing that you or anyone else can do about it. All I did was take Chip from being unable to compete at all to jumping 17' at the conference meet, and that was a minor miracle.

All OU ever promised me was the opportunity to stay on as the VOLUNTEER vault coach next year. The head coach told me that in exchange for my services he would use his influence to get me a full time position at another major program if I wanted it. There was also the chance that IF and only IF a coaching position came open at Oklahoma that I MIGHT be considered for the job. That is all. End of story. The only thing that hurt me was that we went from this to no vault at all without warning. I know we are all unhappy about this, and no one more than me, but I want to stay on good terms with my former team if I can. The institution is biger than one person or one decision. The vault will come back to OU. The question is when.

I have no idea what Mark Napier's plans for the future are, and I have nothing but respect for his coaching abilities. I would probably make a mess of the decathlon whereas he can obviously coach both the multis and the vault competently. OU is a pressure cooker of a program. The athletic department has decided that they will have a conference championship team in every sport, and everyone's job is on the line at all times. Under these circumstances, if you have me in your backyard willing to work for nothing to help a vaulter that is needing a massive amount of time and energy put into his situation, the only smart thing to do is bring me in. It's that simple. Looking at it from a head coach's perspective, this is a no-brainer. Keeping me on as a volunteer next season follows logically from the first decision. Expert coaching for no money at all is not something any head coach should turn down if they want to win.

The decision to drop the event completely also comes from this high pressure, high expectation environment. The vault was a difficult event for OU this year. I can understand the logic behind going another direction given the need for what the head coach thought of as solid, point scoring athletes. The only thing that I have a problem with was cutting the event completely. Remember, I was working for FREE and had committed to working all of next year for FREE, and I had been promised that this would be the case. But that is water under the bridge now. If you want to point fingers you can point at least one at me. I had a chance to show my skills to the head coach, and he decided that I was not capable of helping him enough to justify keeping the event. That is an end to it.
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Unread postby AVC Coach » Tue May 27, 2008 7:46 pm

Wow! It's possible to score as many points in the pole vault as any other event in track and field. I know that sounds like rocket science, but it can really happen. :confused: Actually, more points than the relays. My high school scored 29 points in the girls pole vault and 28 points with the boys in our state meet. I can't imagine the logic behind dropping an event at the college level. They're all about winning, winning, winning at all cost aren't they?

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Unread postby VaultMarq26 » Tue May 27, 2008 7:51 pm

even at the college level, Notre Dame has scored upwards of 20 points in pole vault the last couple Big East Championships....Big points in vault can be done
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Unread postby kat_vaulter » Tue May 27, 2008 8:44 pm

I think Tim is saying that the vault can be an up and down event. Not as predictable as a distance event. Distance runner usually run about the same times no mater what a vaulter can be all over the place. This drives head coaches crazy they like dependability.

----Tim ---I know what happened to Chip and I felt for him. I myself had a terrible accident “not vaultingâ€

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Unread postby Tim McMichael » Tue May 27, 2008 9:07 pm

kat_vaulter wrote:I think Tim is saying that the vault can be an up and down event. Not as predictable as a distance event. Distance runner usually run about the same times no mater what a vaulter can be all over the place. This drives head coaches crazy they like dependability.


Yep, that's what I'm saying. I don't believe it, but a lot of head coaches do. Especially those who are distance or sprint oriented.

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Unread postby Tim McMichael » Tue May 27, 2008 9:08 pm

[quote="kat_vaulter"]----Tim ---I know what happened to Chip and I felt for him. I myself had a terrible accident “not vaultingâ€


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