Unread postby PVstudent » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:57 am
PV Daddy could you please just stop trying to write in the advanced section on topics about which you do not have the knowledge, experience, understanding, familiarity with the world wide lexicon of pole vault coaching practitioners or the written communication skills to avoid the mess you are creating.
The questions being tackled are worthy ones!
But it is your pugnacious pontification, confused understanding of jargon, inaccurate interpretation of your observations of a limited sampling of pole vaulters in real life action, blindness to the notion that what you observe may not be as important as many of the things you have not recognised... (do I need to go on) that simply does not give you any credibility.
Arrogant assertions in regard to the creation of an idiosyncratic personal lexicon, for which widely accepted and understood terms already exist, and the ageist attitude you display in the invective you inject into your responses to respondent to this and other threads is not acceptable.
Your commentary and paper thin explanation of the relevance of the "gymnastic tap swing" in pole vaulting is just mere bilge water!
It is confused, you admit you got the terminology wrong, and you have only just realized that pendular swings in pole vault have a local (at the hand Grips) and a remote (pole tip location in the planting box) axis and that both must be simultaneously considered in pole vault swinging.
You are discussing "tap swing" in pole vault and you have only just realized this!
This does not fill me with confidence about what you know of "gymnastic tap swings and different types of tap swings."
Do you have any experience of coaching and working with gymnasts who train for years to acquire the ability level to be able to perform the very advanced "gymnastic "tap" swing types" you refer us to?
The misuse of the examples and the implicit assumption you make that they are directly applicable to pole vault makes me very suspicious as to the credibility I can place on even your understanding and knowledge of the 'Gymnastic Tap Swing".
Why do you implicitly assume that the hand pivot supports from which a gymnast swings and that the symmetrical arm and symmetrical leg swing in a fundamental gymnastics tap swing directly transfers to the assymetrical arm and assymetrical leg motion at the start of the pole vaulter's swing?
Gymnastics "Tap" Swing on the rings is different to those performed on the parallel and horizontal bars.
Which of these swing types has the most direct relevance to pole vault?
Rope swinging tap swings might have some similarities to swing type in pole vault. What are the similarities and what are the differences?
Clear hip circle to handstand into immediate repetition clear hip circle or alternatively clear hip circle into handstand pirouette have direct transferability because of "similar elements" in meeting the performance demand of the final inversion and spiral turn in pole vault.
Compared to the pole vault in which the pole is recoiling the horizontal bar also recoils to a small extent as the gymnast is projected due to the circular motion angular momentum transfer and conservation by the gymnast.
Why and how is it that the recoiling pole acting on the vaulter and the vaulter acting on it does not use the same mode of mechanical energy transfer as occurs from the horizontal bar?
Why for example are gymnastic "felge type" type actions on rings and parallel bars directly relevant to the swing of the pole vaulter that occurs towards the end of the pole recoil phase ?
Answering these sorts of questions for yourself before you try to confuse us with your dogmatic assertions and blatant ageist knee jerk responses to PVP people who cumulatively possess answers to these question relevant to pole vault technique.
Respondents have empirically demonstrated that their answers are not just "pie in the sky" through their real life actions and results obtained in coaching and performing the pole vault.
If you want to contribute my advice is write about what you are doing. Show us the videos of your vaulters and yourself in coaching them. Ask questions about the stuff that is "real" for you and your vaulters. What is the latest challenge you and the vaulter's are trying to overcome?
This approach will give you credibility and your learning and that of the vaulters you work with be given the support of the PVP community.
At the moment, as we say in Australia "Pull you head in mate and get on with the job! Stop trying to teach us elders how to suck eggs!"
Just remember PV Daddy, oldies, because they have sucked eggs all their lives have survived because they can smell an infertile or a rotten egg from a mile away!
If you want to join the nest then at least be refreshing and not cause a stink by presenting us with pretty rotten and mostly irrelevant infertile ideas!
Every new opinion at its starting, is precisely a minority of one!
