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"Coaches Mark" "MID" Big Pole

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:57 pm
by dj
Ladies and Gentlemen………….

we need to drop the 4 step "coaches mark" completely!!!

coaches and athletes that are using that mark (4 steps from the takeoff) as an indicator are fooling themselves.. and creating unnecessary problems that they "justify" by saying "your steps were on you must have done ????......"

there has only been two problems keeping every vaulter i have seen in the last 30 years from improving

1. the approach run coaches mark/ "MID" is too far out..EVERY TIME the vaulter has a bad jump... E<<V<<E<<R<<Y time.........
if the "coaches mark" "MID" is not "ON" or closer than the mid / per grip i have on my chart you need not go any further as a vaulter... correct the run and them move on to the plant..

2. using a pole that is too big... every time a coach sends me a video or calls and starts the conversation with... "my vaulter had a great meet and "almost"... "and he was on the biggest pole he has ever used."

i know there is absolutely nothing i can say or do to help that vaulter and get he or the coach past the "almost"

if we want to help our vaulters improve we should make them use a pole one size smaller than they/we think they need to be on until mid way of the competitive season, and then we would create pole vaulters and not "mental" cases and dreamers.

dj

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:05 pm
by gtc
Holy Cow! Maybe the best post I have ever read on this board!

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:19 pm
by dj

Re: "Coaches Mark" "MID" Big Pole

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:47 pm
by lonestar
dj wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen………….

we need to drop the 4 step "coaches mark" completely!!!

coaches and athletes that are using that mark (4 steps from the takeoff) as an indicator are fooling themselves.. and creating unnecessary problems that they "justify" by saying "your steps were on you must have done ????......"
dj


EB uses it. How does he "justify" it? :devil:

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:06 am
by dj
:devil:

Here is why I have found “4â€Â

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:44 pm
by Mecham
I think we are putting too many elements into the run. Learn to run right the first time and just keep doing it. Besides, who wants a runway filled with neon colored tape/cones? <in a Kip Dynamite voice> They dont match the runway at all! It totally clashes!

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:03 pm
by SKOT
Mecham wrote:I think we are putting too many elements into the run. Learn to run right the first time and just keep doing it.


because if the run is off, it only creates more problems later in the vault.

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:17 pm
by Mecham
then get it right the first time

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:28 pm
by lonestar
Mecham wrote:then get it right the first time


Easier said than done.

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:41 pm
by Mecham
lol, i know. But if we learn to run right by doing drills, we will have mastered the run. (hurdles, high knees, pole carries etc.) I'm just saying you guy(s) are putting too much time into the run, and not the actual vault

Doubt it. Without the run, there is no actual vault. Spend 95% of your time on getting the right run and the vault will almost take care of itself.

...and drills alone will not build a perfect run. I know lots of people who can do every running drill with textbook form but can't ever hit a decent step. For that matter, I know vaulters who can hit the same step to the inch every time while doing doing pole runs, but can't take off less than a foot under on their vault. There's a lot more to it than that.

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:46 pm
by lonestar
Mecham wrote:lol, i know. But if we learn to run right by doing drills, we will have mastered the run. (hurdles, high knees, pole carries etc.) I'm just saying you guy(s) are putting too much time into the run, and not the actual vault

Doubt it. Without the run, there is no actual vault. Spend 95% of your time on getting the right run and the vault will almost take care of itself.

...and drills alone will not build a perfect run. I know lots of people who can do every running drill with textbook form but can't ever hit a decent step. For that matter, I know vaulters who can hit the same step to the inch every time while doing doing pole runs, but can't take off less than a foot under on their vault. There's a lot more to it than that.


Don't know how that got posted under Mecham, but that was my reply.

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:07 pm
by Mecham
That is like the coolest thing ever. But i know what you mean. I think the idea of DJ's chart as being perfect and the only one to use and nothing else works approach or feel kinda gets to me