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video critique

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:37 pm
by skyshark177
just trying to get some views on what this vaulter is doing wrong if anything.

Ryan's Vault

Here's is another one of his vaults:
14'185, 14' bungee, standards all the way back

Ryan's Vault 2

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:47 pm
by skyshark177
he's on a 14' 185 catapole, i think or 180 for sure.
gripping at the top.

Standards all the way back.

hight is 14 feet.

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:29 pm
by master
First the vaulter is doing a lot of things right! He has a smooth, high knee approach run. I like his plant (I wish mine were that good), drive knee trail leg position, inversion and bringing hips in to the pole while dropping the shoulders. That being said, he needs to get into the inverted position a little sooner. That might be helped with a stronger whip-swing of the trail leg. He gets vertical simultaneously with the pole completing its recoil. It would be much better if he could already be vertical in the frame where you can clearly see sky between the tip of the tree and the instep of his foot. That is about 8 frames, or about .25 seconds earlier.

One significant observation is he does not pike over the crossbar. Instead he is almost arched in the other direction. So some training on getting off the pole would be useful. The more vertical he gets sooner, I think the more important the piking will become.

I will be interested to see what other coaches post.

- master

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:15 pm
by hallvaulter
My only two cents is that it looks like:
A) He needs to get there a little faster
B) Turn and Ride the pole longer
C) Pull through the pole more agressively

Just my opinion

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:45 pm
by AKell
looks good until he's inverted, then it's merely better than me :P He could get above the pole better b/f pushing off, and then as Master said, he needs to pike better over the bar.

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:17 pm
by ryansanta
I've been told by many I have a lazy top. Keep the ideas coming guys, I need all the help I can get!

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:48 pm
by LPVG
I agree with the master. You are doing a lot of good things. I can't go frame by frame, so I am playing the start and stop game. From what I can see, you are little under (5-8") because you are still on the ground and the pole is bending. It is also tough to get your chest up through your shoulders when you are under. You have a great leg whip. Just keep your left leg long. You are starting to tuck in. When you do this, you then have to "untuck" which inhibits your ability to cover the pole before it recoils. Once you cover the pole, drop your shoulders, so you can line up with the pole a little sooner. Can't tell what frame it is, but look at the one where your body is lined up with the pole, but your head is still looking up. You can look up because your shoulders are rounded forward and that stops any shoulder strength from developing. When you drop your shoulders, think about bringing your shoulder blades back (something like standing at attention, only upside down). You then engage the traps and the rhomboids and that makes you much stronger. Once your shoulders are engaged, you will be able to exert tremendous pull, which will put you another foot or two higher. Right now, you are jumping a little over your hands, which means you have solid technique. Strive for a 2 ft push off. Nice jump. You have potential to go a lot higher.

LPVG
BV Coach

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:22 pm
by fx
One thing I noticed is that when u turn, your right foot gets caught under your left foot, dont know if it affects your turn or not.

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:47 pm
by OUvaulterUSAF
Standards are all the way back, ok. Then the pole is too soft. You have a great take-off and whip. But you're not quite covering the pole. You only get as far as the L postion on the inversion when the pole begins to uncoil towards the bar. You don't have enough time to cover the pole because the pole is too small and you're blowing through it.

I would either go up to the next size pole and raise your grip no more than three fingers (adjust step accordingly). Or if you don't have the next size pole, lower your top hand about one hand grip (adjust step accordingly) to make the pole stiffer and give you more time.

Anyway, you could always work on a higher take-off and faster whip.
Tips for a higher take-off, work on an early high plant and have a bounding jump take-off. For a faster whip, make the force of your whip all the way thru your toe--think of it as kicking a soccer ball or football as far as possible but from the inverted C position. You want a nice long trail leg. Also, put more pressure into your bottom hand on the inversion.

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:36 pm
by skyshark177
I posted another one of his vaults on the first message.

Thanks everyone for the critiques so far!

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:11 am
by craigmtb
OUvaulterUSAF wrote:I would either go up to the next size pole and raise your grip no more than three fingers (adjust step accordingly). Or if you don't have the next size pole, lower your top hand about one hand grip (adjust step accordingly) to make the pole stiffer and give you more time.


The problem with lowering your grip will be moving through the pole faster. If the stardards are already crushed, then a bigger pole is the only option.

Couldn't get the video, connection timed out.

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:08 pm
by teamhansonpv
You tend to allow your hands to hover above the bar when you should be throwing them back hard on your fly away. This will get you away from the bar and eliminate missed heights due to the awful hand drag. It may also eliminate your laziness and help you kip over the bar. Great plant and good take off. Keep working hard!