Long Jump Marks?

[BethelPV]

I don't know if this has been discussed. Couldn't find it through the search button, but what are the Long Jump marks for a lot of our elite vaulters... both male and female? Just wondering what it takes long jump wise to jump high. I know that Long Jump is something you can look at to see a vaulters potential, so I am just wondering what people long jump in correlation to their pole vault PR's!

Zachmo

[Barto]

The problem is that very few vaulters ever learn to LJ well enough to get an accurate PR. A few of the more reliable marks I know are:
Women
Suttle ~ 19' (as a Soph or Jr in college, I would imagine she would have put up a better PR later if she would have kept at it)

Lindsay Taylor ~ 20' (she could jump this very near to the time when she began to vault high)

Mary Sauer ~ 19' (her TJ PR is ~ 40'6 as well)

Dragila ~ 20'
Men
Bright ~ 25'6
Dial ~ 24' (never jumped after high school)
Mike Edwards ~ 25'6 (considered a very good technical jumper for his ability)

Power to WT ratio testing will give you much more reliable results. Look at tests such as standing long jump, standing triple jump, 30m, 30m fly, snatch from the floor, and clean from the floor to get much more reliable meassures of pole vault potential.

[Boomer]

Do you have any information on elite and their scores in those categories?

[dj]

good morning

as a coach i used a 6 step long jump for training and goal purposes..

tully and bell jumped … 21-6+

my experience shows that a 21-6ish jump from 6 steps (42/42 feet) is average for world class

again experience shows me that from a full run a 20' long jump correlates with a 16 pv or vise-versa

seems most world class guys today 19', give or take a little, should jump 24'

dj

[Barto]

Do you have any information on elite and their scores in those categories?

STJ - elite women over 7.80m, elite men over 9m
SLJ - elite women over 2.80m, elite men over 3m
Snatch - elite women 100% body weight, elite men 125% body weight
30m - elite women under 4.5 FAT, elite men under 4.2 FAT

These are minimums. Some athletes far exceed these marks, some may be deficient in one area or another, but for the most part elite pole vaulters are pretty big studs.

[baggettpv]

Sooooo, if we look for a Pole Vault prospect in their freshman year of HS then they should be fast, good jumper and fairly strong. How come all those guys end up being Sprinters here in Oregon that go about 11.2 in the 100 meters...53 in the 400 and LJ 21'. Maybe someday the programs will direct the kids to events they would be successful at in the National scene.

Rick Baggett
WSTC LLC

[Barto]

Sooooo, if we look for a Pole Vault prospect in their freshman year of HS then they should be fast, good jumper and fairly strong. How come all those guys end up being Sprinters here in Oregon that go about 11.2 in the 100 meters...53 in the 400 and LJ 21'. Maybe someday the programs will direct the kids to events they would be successful at in the National scene.

Rick Baggett
WSTC LLC

Great point Rick! In most areas the worst athletes (the guys who can't do anything else) get stuck in the most demanding event (pole vaulting).

I believe one of the reasons we see elite American vaulters developing later in life is that they were the guys who were too physically imature to do much of anything else when they were in high school. Later, after maturation it turns out they were pretty genetically gifted after all - just late bloomers.

my 2 cents,
Barto

[jumpbackin]

Power to WT ratio testing will give you much more reliable results. Look at tests such as standing long jump, standing triple jump, 30m, 30m fly, snatch from the floor, and clean from the floor to get much more reliable meassures of pole vault potential.

I disagree with this. Some athletes are very dynamic from a stand still or from slow speed. In other words they are able to accelerate quickly in one direction or another. Other athletes are the opposite. They are not so explosive from a start but very dynamic at high speed. The later is more predictive to a Pole Vaulters potential and shown more readilly by a full Long Jump.

Of course you are right about level of skill in the Long Jump being a factor, but much of that skill is relavant to the Vault also.

[Barto]

Power to WT ratio testing will give you much more reliable results. Look at tests such as standing long jump, standing triple jump, 30m, 30m fly, snatch from the floor, and clean from the floor to get much more reliable meassures of pole vault potential.

I disagree with this. Some athletes are very dynamic from a stand still or from slow speed. In other words they are able to accelerate quickly in one direction or another. Other athletes are the opposite. They are not so explosive from a start but very dynamic at high speed. The later is more predictive to a Pole Vaulters potential and shown more readilly by a full Long Jump.

Of course you are right about level of skill in the Long Jump being a factor, but much of that skill is relavant to the Vault also.

Power is power. The "not so explosive from a start" athletes you are describing are simply not powerful and I would seriously question how "dynamic at high speed" they actually are. Find an elite pole vaulter who is "not so explosive from a start".

[jumpbackin]

In the context you are talking, power is not power. We have all seen the sprinter who jumps in front of the competition right out of the blocks only to be caught and passed by athletes who are more dynamic at high speed. That fast starter would make a better Running Back, the top speed guys would make better Long Jumpers and Pole Vaulters.

One year in college I was lucky enough to train in a group that included an 18 foot vaulter. He could not even Broad Jump 9 feet but he was very fast. I could beat him in a Broad Jump or a start, but he could crush me in a 100m and I'm sure the Long Jump. His slower brother Long Jumped 21+ so I'm sure he could do at least 22, probably much more. BTW, he and I are about the same height.

If Broad Jump was a good indicator I would have been the elite Vaulter. Since Long Jump is a better indicator, I was what I was and he was what he was.

[Jennapv]

This may be a stupid question, but does height factor in to standing long jump at all? There is a triple jumper on my team who is maybe 6-8 inches shorter than I am and MUCH more "springy", but our standing longs are about the same.

[jumpbackin]

This may be a stupid question, but does height factor in to standing long jump at all? There is a triple jumper on my team who is maybe 6-8 inches shorter than I am and MUCH more "springy", but our standing longs are about the same.

Yes. All springyness and technique being equal, the taller athlete will jump farther. Actually, longer legs and longer arms, but that's getting nit-picky.