JMP8928 wrote:KirkB wrote:fx wrote:Hey Kirk, just wondering what you thought about this first guy's swing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYP4Vwpm63g
Purcy (aka purchell53) does a lot of things right, and a few things wrong ...
First vault ...
Nice free takeoff. Grip looks a little wide. He let his trail leg bend (bad - that causes you to drift in too much, instead of keeping "good posture" i.e. refrain from leaning back). Nice stretch to the C. Looks like he's pressing with the bottom arm (that could be an illusion, but my bet is that he's pressing). For all his nice "bottom work", he surprisingly doesn't get his hips very high, resulting in a rather clumsy L. The reason is that he Hinges PAST the chord. (Once you get to the chord, you should be feelling the sensation of your shoulders dropping and your hips rising, as you maintain constant pressure against the force of the pole.) By perpetuating his Hinge, he actually RELIEVES some of this pressure, I think, which lets the pole get ahead of him. You notice how deep he landed? That's not only becuz his pole is soft, it's also becuz he froze in the L, instead of continuosly swinging/rising. All in all, if he eliminated these flaws, he'd have gotten back a lot sooner, and would have shot more straight up than into the bar.
If I missed anything, let me know. I saw his other vaults, and there's some differences, but not THAT much different than his first attempt.
On his later attempts, althought he appears to go higher (assuming constant grip and bar) he doesn't get as much depth into the pit, and doesn't bend his trail leg as much on it's backswing/stretch. I'm not going to correlate the two, becuz he more than likely switched to a heavier pole.
There's SOME similarity to the way he tries to get his trail leg back before he swings it, but he doesn't do it quick enough or straight enough to qualify as a true "Bryde Bender". Maybe a "style" of the BB? Ha! Ha!
Nice find, tho. With a little work, he could get there. If you know who he is, ask him to PM me, and I'll give him a few pointers (if he's interested).
His friend is called Banda, and they might possibly be coached by Pat Manson. He used the handle JMP8928 on PVP, he's 25, and lives in St. Louis MO and in Boulder CO. I have his hotmail from 2006, I'll see if I can contact him. Stay tuned.
Wilson, you know him, don't you?
Kirk
Heya folks:
So here's a little info on these jumps.
Where to begin?. welp, i'll start with this. That workout was my 9th this year. I had ankle surgery in May (the reason for the bad takeoff angle and the gazelle - like speed).
That first jump is a 13'6 175, held at about 12'6 or so. Nice little warm up pole. Then I moved to holding 12'8'' on a 14 foot 14.9 (175) taking off at roughly 10 Ft, maybe a shade outside of that. Then 12'10'' on a 14 foot 14.4 (182) I weigh about 170, and the bungee we are jumping at is at 14 feet. Standards are on 80
My grip width is (believe it or not) narrower than it used to be. It used to be Tye Harvey wide, but i was not jumping anything like him, and i thought it was preventing me from getting inverted, so I've been playing with bringing it in a bit. I feel like it's in a comfortable spot now, but I wouldn't be opposed to narrowing it up a shade more.
So the trail leg. It does bend on takeoff, which will bring my hips in a tad. But i don't think thats my biggest problem. I bring it around straight and hard, so i think i make up for it a little, but nothing like Tim or Toby. They are 2 guys that are famous for the bent trail leg - but they bring that sucker around w. a sonic boom (which I don't) and they are making up for a lot there. So a straighter trail on takeoff would give me a bit better pocket presence, but again, It 's not on the high priority list for me since i think i do a good job of bringing int around straight and fast
Bottom arm: Yeah, i def. give a big pop on takeoff, and it does cause me to block the shoulders a bit, and not move into the pocket as much as i'd like... So i for sure agree with you on that. But i open the chest decently, and get the head and chest moving in pretty well. All MUCH better than this time last year.
The clumsy L, on that first jump. I think thats a product of the pole being tiny, and the enormous amount of pole speed im getting. Tons of X direction energy and not much to stop it. But regardless, i feel like i made a good move up the pole on that one, and caught a good amount of the ride.
I think one of my biggest problems is that little tug on my left arm when I try to drop in. It takes pressure off of my top hand, and as you said, relieves pressure. So, continual top hand pressure is a biggie for me, and letting off that left arm through the last 3rd of the jump will be big too.
Pause in the L : its a lot better than it used to be. it used to be U.G.L.Y. But it's on the to-do list.
On the later attempts, i went to that 14.4 and was def. getting higher. i was 14.5 feet in the air on a few of those. If the standards were on 60, i woulda blown the doors off 14 feet... but, on those jumps, i dont hit the pocket very well, and have to play catchup in order to get there.
Bryde Bender? never heard of it.
I am DEF. interested in some pointers, no one gets anywhere doing the same thing! I'm in boulder, CO training out of Above the Bar PVC. With lots of help from Pat Manson and Brandon Banda. Awesome guys, and have been helping me out tons. spending sometimes late nights talking PV. Hopefully i can hold it together when my ankle gets better, and i back up to 5,6,7 lefts (keep your fingers crossed)
If anyone wants to talk tec, bring it on! i love new opinions and new ideas. get at me! the best way to get me is at Justinmpurcell@gmail.com
This is the first time i've posted in... well. a really long time.
I'm surprised and flattered my jumps are any sort of talking point. Thanks for taking the time to look, think and write. I really appreciate it. Any of y'all got vids you wanna shoot my way, feel free!
Wow. massive post. Can't wait to see some quality responses.
Purcy.
Hey Purcy, I moved your stuff over to it's own "blog", since the one we started analyzing your vids on was actually for Six-Pack. It would get too confusing if you both stayed on the same one.
If you have any new vids, please post the links here, and we'll take a look.
On the ones already posted, tell me the one you want me to analyze, and I'll do that.
Hopefully the jump that you consider your best technique of the day.I'll keep your comments in mind when I look at it. I just took your first one because you had the most depth on it. I thought you were stalling out too much on most of the others. For your gazelle-like speed, I think you went up too high in poles.
As you did above, please continue to identify your grip, pole, bar and standards on the jumps. Number your vaults from 1 to n so we're both looking at the same one!
It will also help if - in addition to your self-analysis of your vaults (saying what you THINK you did wrong) - you also identify your INTENT. That is, say what you were TRYING to do on the vault, and then compare that to what you actually did.
Your problem is not that your standards were on 80 instead of 60. Really, you should keep them all the way back - all the time. I think you're worrying too much about the standards and the bar, and not enough about your technique.
Are you kicking your trail leg back conciously, or is that just a result of trying to stretch out on takeoff? Have you considered keeping it straight, rather than letting it bend?
Your trail leg swing is probably the best part of your vault.
However, it's also where you can make the biggest improvements in your technique, IMHO. How's that for a contradiction? But it's true!I'd say only the run and takeoff are more important, but I'll cut you some slack on those, since you're still recovering from your ankle injury. (What happened?)
More later, once I know what jump to look at.
Kirk
