Jagodin/swing

[H.I.S.]

Okay, after going over all the threads carefully and learning a lot that I had never thought of, and information that explains some bad habits of my own, I would like to discuss this question.

Do jagodins hinder or weaken your swing?

If you need to get into the habit and teach your body the right muscle memory, which is to swing "immediately after take off"(agapit) as powerfully as possible, should you perform a drill which teaches the exact opposite, keeping the trail leg behind you and fighting the natural swing?

Holding your swing for extra time just increases the time of your vault and waste energy that could be utilized in the inversion or swing.

Is it possible for your body's muscle memory to want to (instinctively because of this drill) keep you from swinging properly?

[KirkB]

Do jagodins hinder or weaken your swing?

That's a good question. I've often wondered that myself.

I look forward to a COACH answering this one! Pros and cons?

Holding your swing for extra time ...

Well, if you're HOLDING it, it's not really a SWING ... is it?

Kirk

[master]

If you think about it, you might come to the conclusion that most drills only work on a portion of the whole vault. And most of them are useful and you can apply what you learn from them to your full vault. In this case, the Jagodin provides an opportunity for you to focus on being in proper position thru the takeoff, including having a fully "tensed" body and lower arm (but not blocked) at the time your pole tip hits the back of the box. Holding that position gives you the opportunity to feel what that is like and what it contributes to that portion of the vault. You can even compare being tight with being soft and see how the pole responds.

When you feel that and understand what it contributes, you know why you want to incorporate that in your jump BUT you must also learn that it is a momentary activity. Once the transfer of energy from this position happens, you have your bottom arm accommodate the pole/body position, first allowing the arm to bend as your top arm is driven behind your head and then the arm extends as your top arm returns to above and then forward of the head.

Another benefit of a Jagodin is to allow the vaulter to realize how complete his drive position is, and to experience what his drive knee to trail leg separation is because he holds it well into the drill.

I personally believe it is very useful for the benefits identifed above. When you understand it is a momentary action, I feel you can easily apply what you learned from the drill to your jump. And instead of it teaching you to delay the swing, it in fact has taught you how to get your body into the proper position from which your swing can be most effective.

- master

[H.I.S.]

When I said "holding your swing" I ment delaying your swing. Hodling off from swinging longer than you should, thus wasting energy.

I'm not trying to argue that a jagodins can be positive, I want to discuss if the pros out wiegh the cons.

Even if it is a momentary action, your body still gets use to the movement, and if your mind wonders for a moment or if you are not as focused as you should be during a full vault, you might do what you've done in practice 100 times, a jagodin, and drive right through the cross bar instead of swinging because it has been a part of your routine for so long, you just do it. It would become a bad habit in your vaulting, similar to pushing with your bottom arm