Steel Vault PR's

[agapit]

Even though I'm a huge advocate of stiff poling, I think that's going to be a hard equation to figure out. I'm curious to see how it goes.

2-step (1 left) – Grip 3.50m & Push 55cm
4-step (2 lefts) – Grip 4.10m & Push 70cm
6-step (3 lefts) – Grip 4.40m & Push 80cm
8-steps (4 lefts) – Grip 4.55m & Push 95cm

Although it is possible to grip higher on 4,6 & 8 steps, however the pole would bend more than 1.5 ft so it would not be a "straight" pole vaulting.

These numbers are not possible with any sort of delay. It is pure gymnastics & accurate plan/jump with continuous energy input. No left arm resistance is possible (good learning tool for left arm pull, but only at these or close to these numbers) if an elite athlete to acheive this numbers. The free take off is a must as well.

[lonestar]

[quote="agapit"]It could be fun and interesting exercise to practice on the steel poles, however, I think “straightâ€Â

[agapit]

[quote="lonestar"][quote="agapit"]It could be fun and interesting exercise to practice on the steel poles, however, I think “straightâ€Â

[lonestar]

Do you know what this vaulter's or (vaulters if more than one) ultimate pr's were on fiberglass "bending" poles?

2-step (1 left) – 3.85m K.Volkov 5.85m 80s
4-step (2 lefts) – 4.60m V.Krupsky 5.84m late 80s
6-step (3 lefts) – 5.00m D. Petushinsky 5.92m early 90s
8-steps (4 lefts) – 5.30m D. Petushinsky 5.92m

In order to achieve these results one must have short 2,4,6,8 vaults in the training program consistently. Usually it is late Fall or early Spring when these exercises are used. I would not used them during a comp. season at all. Occasional use will not produce these results. 19' vaulter may clear 3.40m-4.20m-4.60m-5.00m after two, three sessions. During the first session coach must hide behind the wall or a fence they will through poles around, especially 2 & 4 steps sessions. LOL.

This is EXACTLY the kind of data I was looking for! Thank you Roman!

For Volkov from 2 steps, he jumped approx. 34.19% of his pr.

For Krupsky from 4 steps, he jumped approx. 21.23% of his pr.

For Petushinsky from 6 steps, he jumped approx. 15.5% of his pr.

For Petushinsky from 8 steps, he jumped approx. 10.47% of his pr.

Unfortunately, the damn Soviets (j/k Roman) just blew my numbers off the charts. The only difference is that the poles we're using aren't bending at all. I might have to re-fit my vaulters with poles that can bend about 1.5' and see if our correlations come any closer.

And yes, I agree with Agapit about hiding during the first session, or even the first month of doing this! Vaulters who aren't used to straight poling will hate this and be very frustrated. When they can transfer the positive technical gains they make over to bending poles later though, it makes it very worthwhile.

[decanuck]

Even though I'm a huge advocate of stiff poling, I think that's going to be a hard equation to figure out. I'm curious to see how it goes.

2-step (1 left) – Grip 3.50m & Push 55cm
4-step (2 lefts) – Grip 4.10m & Push 70cm
6-step (3 lefts) – Grip 4.40m & Push 80cm
8-steps (4 lefts) – Grip 4.55m & Push 95cm

Although it is possible to grip higher on 4,6 & 8 steps, however the pole would bend more than 1.5 ft so it would not be a "straight" pole vaulting.

These numbers are not possible with any sort of delay. It is pure gymnastics & accurate plan/jump with continuous energy input. No left arm resistance is possible (good learning tool for left arm pull, but only at these or close to these numbers) if an elite athlete to acheive this numbers. The free take off is a must as well.

At what point in these drills should you start planting the pole (i.e. 6 steps, 8 steps)? I did a bunch of these yesterday and found it counterproductive to plant from anything less than 8 strides. For 6 and under I just held the pole at my shoulder (B2B style) and it seemed to work much better, but maybe that just means my plant sucks.

[lonestar]

2 Steps

[decanuck]

But at 2 steps from takeoff you should have the pole parallel with the ground at about the level of your shoulders (like Bubka below), so how does a vaulter plant from two strides without being late?



Maybe I should make a clarification. When I say plant, I mean a full plant starting from a high position (no less than 60 degrees). I don't see much of a point starting the plant from a low angle position where the athlete has to support the weight of the pole as they run, since it would defeat the entire purpose of a proper, high plant. Unless, I suppose, the athlete supports the weight of the pole in a low position until the instant they begin moving their lead leg for their first step..? At which point they merely guide it to the box in a controlled, gravity-assisted drop.

I guess I kind of answered my own question...

[lonestar]

Unless, I suppose, the athlete supports the weight of the pole in a low position until the instant they begin moving their lead leg for their first step..? At which point they merely guide it to the box in a controlled, gravity-assisted drop.

I guess I kind of answered my own question...

You got it!

[dj]

good morning

in the 70's dave roberts had a "process" warming up short run to long run... he used his competition pole (5 meter) and would start with a very low grip.. from 3/4 steps.. quick feet..plant/takeoff...

he would continue to back up a little.. raise his grip (moving his black tape) and hit it again.. he would continue this process through 6 or so jumps... moving the tape..adding steps.. finally the pole would bend slightly by the time he was on 6 to 8 steps...

based on where he ended up, on grip and run, he knew how much "spit and vinegar" or how "frisky" he was for the day and that would help him determine where to grip on his opening jump.. and he would move the black tape to that point…on the same pole he had “stiff’ poled on.. that was david’s way of working with the physics of the event…

when bubka did his “stiff’ pole drill from 6 steps he checked to see how high he could hold from 6 steps on “that dayâ€Â

[lonestar]

I once heard from Greg Hull at Reno that Nick Hysong did very much the same thing - he would do a one-hander (push and grab) and swing to inversion from I think 6 steps/3 lefts in warmup, and the height he could grip on that drill would determine his starting long run grip for the day.