NATIONAL CHAMPS! Sugar Bowl!

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Who will be the BCS National Champs?

LSU Tigers
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44%
OU Sooners
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56%
 
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NATIONAL CHAMPS! Sugar Bowl!

Unread postby theflyingkorean » Sun Dec 07, 2003 7:04 pm

LSU just got announced to play in the National Championship with Oklahoma! I think this will be a great game. Althought, I do think that USC got shafted since they are ranked #1 in a few polls, but nopt in the BCS. Let's take the "C" out of BCS! Anyways, I am soooo glad LSU made it and I wish tme luck.

Who do you think will win?

LSU :yes:

Oklahoma :no:

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Unread postby rainbowgirl28 » Sun Dec 07, 2003 7:05 pm

It should be USC :mad:

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Unread postby theflyingkorean » Sun Dec 07, 2003 7:44 pm

Yeah it should! I say LSU vs. USC too :yes:


The polls screwed up.

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Unread postby KYLE ELLIS » Sun Dec 07, 2003 7:45 pm

Well USC is ranked 1 but who have they played this year? Exactly nobody LSU i think should be ranked 1 because they are the best team right now. OU went 12-0 before their first loss, and they got whooped but a loss is a loss. LSU better be ready for OU because it wont be the same team that got stomped by ksu.
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Unread postby KYLE ELLIS » Sun Dec 07, 2003 7:47 pm

Why usc? ou stomped GOOD teams like usc stomped BAD teams. And everyone is quick to look at the last game and down on ou. When ou was killing people nobody questioned them now they have 1 loss and everybody wants to kick them out of the picture
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Unread postby mcminkz05 » Sun Dec 07, 2003 10:44 pm

well, i for one think USC should be playing in that Sugar bowl, but itl be a great game in the Rose Bowl vs. MICHIGAN. And yes, OU was "killing" everyone, but then they got "killed" by KSU, who wasnt even a top 10 team. considering thye lost 35-7, after watching that game, the USC game and LSU, game, USC played pretty sloppy earley, but OU just got dominated. I actually think they shouldnt even be in the Championship game after that loss. If you cant even win your conference, i dont see why your playing for a Championship.
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Unread postby KYLE ELLIS » Mon Dec 08, 2003 1:14 am

Well the big 10 doesnt play a "championship team" and usc got beat by an unranked team! KSU is ranked #10 now and they are underated because they were supposed to be national contenders if you read the pr-season magazines. The lost ell and stumbled 3 games but since then they have killed every one, and a loss is a loss!
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Unread postby vaultmd » Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:01 am

KYLE ELLIS wrote:Well USC is ranked 1 but who have they played this year? Exactly nobody LSU i think should be ranked 1 because they are the best team right now.


1. USC is the only team in the country that was not beaten in regulation. Their loss was in overtime, on the road after a bye week and was by three points.

2. LSU scheduled Western Illinois, Louisiana-Monroe and Louisiana Tech for their nonconference games. One of those schools is not even Division I-A. Another one shouldn't be I-A. I've heard that it is not entirely LSU's fault as one game was a replacement for a school that cancelled a game; however, that doesn't explain the other two crappy teams. At the time USC scheduled Auburn, Notre Dame, BYU and Hawaii, they had every reason to believe that most would be nationally ranked. The pollsters obviously agreed, as when USC played Auburn, USA Today had Auburn #1 in the country.

3. LSU's loss took place at home, a place they keep reminding us is supposed to be one of the hardest places to play.

4. The runner-up in the SEC, Georgia is a fraud. They got to the SEC Title Game playing with a quarterback that wouldn't be starting ANYWHERE in the PAC 10 (well, possibly Arizona because I haven't seen them play). At Stanford, which had a dreadful year, he would have been third string behind a true freshman. At University of Washington, he would have been third string. At USC he would have been FIFTH STRING!! Think I'm exagerating on this? Matt Cassel, Carson Palmer's more than capable backup from last year, is playing tight end because USC only travels with three quarterbacks and this year he wasn't one of the top three. And Cassel is way better than this dude. He would also be behind a guy who should still be in high school (Booty).

The GA quarterback doesn't recognize when he's being blitzed (most of those weak side blitzes were not even close to being disquised) and he can't make all the types of throws anyway. Their running backs don't pick up blitzes and when they do, they whiff on the block attempt. It's almost like they close their eyes when trying to block. And it didn't take much for them to give up. So I'm not all that convinced about this alleged difference in strength of schedule. Apparently the computers disagree with me, but they don't watch the games being played.

4. OU got exposed as bullies who can't stand up to physically strong teams. Yeah, they only lost once and it was to a good team, but for God's sake, it was by FOUR TOUCHDOWNS! True, they stomped Texas, but they also scheduled North Texas when they could have scheduled a quality team, like the Notre Dame's, Florida States and USCs do. A dreadful UCLA team in the second week of learning the West Coast Offense and with a new coaching staff was competitive with them except for those three punt returns. An Alabama team in a down year also with a new coaching staff only lost by 7.

I think everyone wanted to see USC and LSU. That would have been a good game. Too bad they will be playing in different games for different national championship trophies. Don't feel too sorry for USC. Their seniors have never played in the Rose Bowl, and they are playing for their share of the national championship on their (well, actually UCLA's) home turf with good weather on really good grass. The scary thing for USC is that Michigan matches up with them better than LSU. Too bad for LSU that OU is gonna be pretty pissed. Too bad for KSU that they are not part of this mix, as they seem to have it going on right now and it seems no one matches up with them.

Good luck to LSU on winning their share of the national championship. Mauch sure deserves it. Jason White also deserves good things, but he's gonna get the Heisman. Or at least he BETTER get the Heisman.

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Unread postby ashcraftpv » Mon Dec 08, 2003 6:34 am

well, as I see it, the two best teams are playing for the national championship. The AP and ESPN polls only prove that you should lose early rather than later in the season. Take a look at the top 3 teams. Each has one loss and each plays in a different conference, so what really makes one better than the other? Just because OU lost in the last week rather than earlier, does that make them a worse team than USC or LSU? OU's only loss came to another BCS team. USC and LSU both lost to teams playing in minor bowl games. Looking at strength of schedule, OU is tops, followed by LSU, then USC. So OU and LSU played the tougher schedule of the 3 teams. As much as people want to criticize, the BCS DOES work, this year being the ultimate example. Being one of the two best teams in football comes from a measure of the entire season, not just how you played your last game.

On a side note, I hate how people never give the Big Ten credit for being a good football conference. The reason you don'e see a big ten team in the national championship race year in and year out is that its damn near impossible to go through the big ten season without losing one or two games. Ohio State did it last year and look here they ended up. That's how tough the conference is. 8 teams in bowl games, 5 teams in the top 20, 2 teams in BCS games....you do the math :)

not saying anything bad about USC, but Michigan is going to eat them for lunch. those guys are the real deal, especially at this point in the season.....
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Unread postby rainbowgirl28 » Mon Dec 08, 2003 7:43 am

vaultmd wrote:4. The runner-up in the SEC, Georgia is a fraud. They got to the SEC Title Game playing with a quarterback that wouldn't be starting ANYWHERE in the PAC 10 (well, possibly Arizona because I haven't seen them play). At Stanford, which had a dreadful year, he would have been third string behind a true freshman. At University of Washington, he would have been third string. At USC he would have been FIFTH STRING!! Think I'm exagerating on this? Matt Cassel, Carson Palmer's more than capable backup from last year, is playing tight end because USC only travels with three quarterbacks and this year he wasn't one of the top three. And Cassel is way better than this dude. He would also be behind a guy who should still be in high school (Booty).

The GA quarterback doesn't recognize when he's being blitzed (most of those weak side blitzes were not even close to being disquised) and he can't make all the types of throws anyway. Their running backs don't pick up blitzes and when they do, they whiff on the block attempt. It's almost like they close their eyes when trying to block. And it didn't take much for them to give up. So I'm not all that convinced about this alleged difference in strength of schedule. Apparently the computers disagree with me, but they don't watch the games being played.


Hey hey hey... David Greene is not too shabby. He has not had an outstanding year because our ENTIRE offensive line graduated last year. This year was a rebuilding year. The whole OL is sophomores and the center is a true freshman I believe.

We were on some sort of a 2 quarterback system, but Shockley got hurt (again) and is out for the season. Our 3rd string QB has very little experience. So, basically we're screwed if Greene goes out, so Coach Richt has been playing a lot more conservatively.

As for our strength of schedule... in addition to our SEC games, we played Middle Tennessee St (they have potential), UAB (a pretty solid team this year!), Clemson (Peach Bowl Bound), and Georgia Tech (alternate between being great and horrid). That's not as good as USC's off games, but a step up from some of LSU's ;)

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Unread postby KYLE ELLIS » Mon Dec 08, 2003 1:13 pm

Well David Green is one of the best qbs in the nation so i dont know where you pulled that stuff from? And Texas isnt a physically strong team? OU beat 7 teams that are in BOWL GAMES!!! North Texas being one of those, because they arent a bad team, its ok i know you dont pay attention to the podunk part of the nation right? And you didn't say who usc beat that was good, because they didn't beat anybody good! They may have scheduled Hawaii, Notre Dame, BYU, but they all sucked this year!!! Theres no point in arguing about what happened happened and usc better get ready to get whooped by Michigan!
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Unread postby mcminkz05 » Mon Dec 08, 2003 8:09 pm

ok, first of all, YES the Big Ten has no "championship game" but, it doesnt matter, that is a GOOD conferance, which makes it hard to produce an undefeated team. As a Michigan fan, iv followed that team all year, and personally i think they are better than USC, LSU and OU. Two unfourtunate losses earley in the season however ruined national title hopes, eventhough many people would agree they might jsut be the best team in the country right now. And i certainly agree with all you guys, they are going to dominate USC. :yes:
and on a side note, JUST because OU beat a bunch of teams going to bowl games doesnt mean they are good teams. like almost half the D1 college teams get to go to a bowl game there are so darn many of them!! and allot of the teams end up being like 6-6, or 7-5. Now is beating that team somehting to brag about, eventhough they get to go to the oh-so impressive Motor City bowl, or Hawii bowl or whatever?
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