1-2-3 Standards

[Bubba PV]

I understand and I certainly see your points. They are truly valid and your posts are informative. I think my point was that for most HS kids, it might be one less thing for them to think about. But again, you make good points. Bubba

[AVC Coach]

I'm with CowtownPV on this one. Moving them is moving them, so why not set them anywhere (within legal perimeters) that an athlete wants?

[vault3rb0y]

I keep hearing a lot of "MOST athletes do this....", "MOST athletes do that...."... what about the others? Should they be forced to choose 1 of 3 standard settings because MOST athletes it doesnt matter for?

I love the standards no farther than 18 rule. On top of that tho i would propose increments of 10cm. I agree that moving from 53 to 58 is stupid, but I would have been pretty pissed if i were at a HS meet trying to work my way onto a new pole and cant quite clear it on 80 and 60 is too close, and they say "no you have to choose". Give me 70 dangit!! Also i would suggest that when only 3-5 competitors remain you open it up to whatever again. That will keep the elites happy and since the issue is the time complain officials have for running meets, at the time only 3-5 remain, moving the standards to different places shouldnt effect the time anyway.

[rainbowgirl28]

I keep hearing a lot of "MOST athletes do this....", "MOST athletes do that...."... what about the others? Should they be forced to choose 1 of 3 standard settings because MOST athletes it doesnt matter for?

I love the standards no farther than 18 rule. On top of that tho i would propose increments of 10cm. I agree that moving from 53 to 58 is stupid, but I would have been pretty pissed if i were at a HS meet trying to work my way onto a new pole and cant quite clear it on 80 and 60 is too close, and they say "no you have to choose". Give me 70 dangit!! Also i would suggest that when only 3-5 competitors remain you open it up to whatever again. That will keep the elites happy and since the issue is the time complain officials have for running meets, at the time only 3-5 remain, moving the standards to different places shouldnt effect the time anyway.

10cm sounds good to me, but the high school goes in inches which is messier. But you could do 18-22-28-32 and have the same effect.

And I would not be opposed to saying the last vaulter can have them wherever they want within that range. Or last three vaulters. Since you guys are soooo worried about the 1% of vaulters who this might negatively affect, most of them are the winner of most of their meets.

[kev44000]

Becca great topic The vault at the high school level needs to go off quicker for sure.

[pv161]

having coachd high shcool pv for 20 yrs and officiated more meets then I can remember I have never found moving the standards to be a problem. if you want to speed up the competition I have lots of suggestions but I'll just list the main ones. 1. limit jv jumpers the same as varsity. around here at least varsity is limited to 3 competitors from each school but no limit on jv. I have seen schools enter 6 to 8 jv. this can add up to 25 or more vaulters at a dual meet. 2. I don't think this can be regulated by rules but by commen sense from the coach and the competitor, why start at a bar 2 to 3 feet lower then your pr and jump at every bar? I have heard many coaches tell there vaulters to start low and use the meet as a practice.

[rainbowgirl28]

having coachd high shcool pv for 20 yrs and officiated more meets then I can remember I have never found moving the standards to be a problem. if you want to speed up the competition I have lots of suggestions but I'll just list the main ones. 1. limit jv jumpers the same as varsity. around here at least varsity is limited to 3 competitors from each school but no limit on jv. I have seen schools enter 6 to 8 jv. this can add up to 25 or more vaulters at a dual meet. 2. I don't think this can be regulated by rules but by commen sense from the coach and the competitor, why start at a bar 2 to 3 feet lower then your pr and jump at every bar? I have heard many coaches tell there vaulters to start low and use the meet as a practice.

The number of vaulters in the competition is all set at the local level, that varies widely across the country.

I don't think there is a good way to write a rule about coming in too low. Sometimes a kid has an off day or they are hurt or did not get enough sleep or the conditions are bad and they need to come in low. Sometimes kids PR 7 times in one meet. It happens!

[VaultPurple]

10cm sounds good to me, but the high school goes in inches which is messier. But you could do 18-22-28-32 and have the same effect.

But I like 24"!

[KirkB]

Oh Kirk, you're overanalyzing again. Most high school vaulters do not pass once they enter. HS meets are rarely tactical, they usually just jump and try to go as high as they can and hope it's higher than the other guy.

Switching the order would mean less time moving standards, but too confusing for the average not-so-bright high schooler or official who may just be someone's parent that doesn't know what they are doing.

Realistically, I didn't think my idea of changing the jump order to minimize standards adjustments would fly ... for the reasons you stated. However, I threw that out there, in case there was any traction on ANY PART of this idea.

Really ... and this is contrary to what Cowtown says ... if there's only 3 settings, then you're going to have less total adjustments. That's becuz SOME jumpers will want the same setting as the last guy that jumped. If there's 40 settings (in the range of 40-80), then there's less chance of this. Even if vaulters round to the nearest 5 cm, there's still 9 distinct settings.

Becca, at the risk of once again over-analyzing , based on pure random settings, there's going to be about one-third the standard changes in a meet with the 1-2-3 settings, compared to the 40-80 range settings (in increments of 5). Based on an apparent bias towards settings on "80" (or "3"), the number of changes is reduced.

Here's another idea I'll toss out ... based on the bias towards 80 (31.5") ...

Every time the bar is raised, ask if anyone wants to attempt that bar at a standard setting other than "80". If there is, they go first ... in the listed order ... at their desired (exact) setting. Then, everyone else uses the 80 setting. That's almost as good as what I suggested previously, but doesn't infringe on the freedom of vaulters to move their standards anywhere within range that they want ... it just changes the order slightly ... so slightly that it shouldn't be a huge challenge for "unskilled" PV officials to administer.

As an aside, it's interesting that at the HS level, standard settings still seem to use inches, whereas at college and elsewhere, cm is the norm in the US. This is silly, since the numbers are only relative to each other. A rookie vaulter could understand "80" just as easily as they understand "32", so why perpetuate the imperial system?

Kirk

[KirkB]

... 10cm sounds good to me, but the high school goes in inches which is messier. But you could do 18-22-28-32 and have the same effect. ...

Analyze this ...

Go 16-20-24-28-32. That's not only more consistent (increments of 4"), it gives VP his 24!

Kirk

[rainbowgirl28]

... 10cm sounds good to me, but the high school goes in inches which is messier. But you could do 18-22-28-32 and have the same effect. ...

Analyze this ...

Go 16-20-24-28-32. That's not only more consistent (increments of 4"), it gives VP his 24!

Kirk

Hah! I fail at math

I still like 18 better than 16, but changes usually happen best in small doses.

[VaultPurple]

ok ill let that fly for high school....

Thank God for college!