My HS Sr. Year Training Blog (by Joe Six-Pack)

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Re: My HS Sr. Year Training Blog (by Joe Six-Pack)

Unread postby gymnastsrock » Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:24 pm

powerplant42 wrote:
nah, i'm gonna stick to JUST this thread, or else, starting it would be pointless. I'm gonna keep it all bunched together and just # each post


Yeah yeah, that's what I meant (I guess it didn't really read like that at all though, did it).

Do those help vaults? I'm such a novice. lol

I'd say that just about any real excercise on a high bar will help a vaulter out. :yes:


I was just wondering because I've been doing kips for 7 years, and free hips for 4, and I never knew it would help pole vaulting. lol
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Re: My HS Sr. Year Training Blog (by Joe Six-Pack)

Unread postby Thats.What.She.Said » Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:19 pm

powerplant42 wrote:I just called him 'joe 6 pack' in one post... Have you been following the election? Plus, a six pack is a definite must for an elite vaulter!


oh. sorta, what does that have to do with this? yeah i knew that much
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Unread postby rainbowgirl28 » Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:37 pm

gymnastsrock wrote:I was just wondering because I've been doing kips for 7 years, and free hips for 4, and I never knew it would help pole vaulting. lol


Back uprises to free hips will help you even more: http://www.polevaultpower.com/media/vid ... anddrills/ ;)

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Re: My HS Sr. Year Training Blog (by Joe Six-Pack)

Unread postby joebro391 » Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:30 pm

Thats.What.She.Said wrote: oh. sorta, what does that have to do with this?

...it's a nickname :dazed:
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Re: My HS Sr. Year Training Blog (by Joe Six-Pack)

Unread postby powerplant42 » Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:17 pm

And it's a friggin' sweet one too!

(I was ticked off at Palins' 'Miss Cutsie' attitude that night or whatever, so I called him Joe six-pack... Joe the plumber works too! But I don't like it as much... not enough 'ring' to it.)


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Re: My HS Sr. Year Training Blog (by Joe Six-Pack)

Unread postby KirkB » Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:50 pm

joebro391 wrote:
powerplant42 wrote:I'd say that just about any real excercise on a high bar will help a vaulter out. :yes:

YUP!! ...

This is true. But you only have so much gym time, so the more focussed your gym drills are on POLE VAULTING TECHNIQUE, the better the carry-over value.

OK, 6P, here's my critique of your latest gym vids ...

Very nice Arabian! :yes:

I'd actually be interested in seeing your whole Tumbling routine! Do you also do Double-Mini and Tramp?

Can you see the benefit of tumbling to PV? What tumbling movements match what PV movements?

Your rope takeoff/swing drill isn't bad, but here's 2 suggestions ...

(1) try not to use your biceps. i.e. don't pull up at all. Instead, keep your top arm straight. SQUEEZE your hand tightly onto the rope, and PUSH up with it, as if you're pushing your pole up into a high plant angle. Then swing about your top hand. With your bottom hand, just grab about the same distance between your hands on the rope as on the pole. There will be a natural tendency to take some of your weight onto your bottom hand, but I wouldn't worry about that. Just focus on what you're doing with the top hand/arm. That's the only important part of this drill.

(2) Since your rope dangles onto the floor, set it up so that it's as far forwards as possible. It dangles on the floor to the right side now. Instead, dangle it forwards - ahead of you. This should make the angle of the hanging part of the rope closer to the angle of a pole on takeoff. But try to explain to me why I might be suggesting this - if you can.

Your rope climbs are good. I'll just add a couple of suggestions ...

(1) When you get near the top, extend your feet up to touch the ceiling. (What part of the vault do you suppose that simulates?)

(2) On the way down, hold your legs in an "L" position. You might as well give your abs a bit of a workout on your way down. If you don't like the isometric nature of the "L", then you can scissor-kick on your way down. Not the way an elegant gymnast would do the trick, but better for a vaulter, I think. But this is minor - no big deal either way.

Your Bubkas on the highbar are still too slow. :no:

Are your Bubkas on the rings supposed to be like Amy's? They're not. Can you tell me what's different?

Actually, I'm not too worried about your extension. That will come later (and becuz of your gym training, it's already not too bad, so doesn't need much work right now). Instead, I'd rather see you focus on the speed of your swing - both on the rings and on the highbar.

So I'm going to focus on that now too ...

On the highbar Whip/Swing Drill, you're SWINGING way too much. You don't swing like that on the rings, do you! Nor does Amy, right? So if you can learn to Whip like Amy on the rings, then transfer that skill to the highbar, you'll "feel the Whip" better. Don't worry about the extension part of this drill at all. It's not important.

In the past, I think I may have called this drill the Hinge/Whip Drill. I know I've varied the names a bit, so sorry for any confusion. But let's go with "Hinge/Whip Drill" for now, since those are the 2 things I'd like you to focus on, and that's the order that I'd like you to try to do it. And DON'T SWING! Just Hinge DOWN, Whip at the bottom (directly below the highbar or rings), and then curl yourself up into a ball. Remember - a Hinge is a rotation about the hips. i.e. your hips are the fulcrum of the Hinge.

Yes, this little ball that I'm talking about will look and feel an awful lot like a rockback/tuck, and you can call it that if you must. But it's not intended that by doing this drill you're going to imprint a rockback/tuck technique into your vault. Don't worry, just consider this "ball" as a way of finishing each cycle.

Once you curl into the ball, pause a split second for the right time to start your next cycle. Then drop your legs down into a full extension in the "C" position (like Amy), and start your next downwards Hinge/Whip. Remember that the only important parts of this drill are the Hinge and the Whip. The rest is just to prepare for the next cycle.

If you do this right, you're going to be able to do quite a few repetitions without stopping (and without swinging about your hands). And with each of these repetitions, you're going to be able to concentrate on speeding up your Hinge. Once your Hinge becomes super-quick, you're going to feel that Whip at the bottom, under the bar. It will be so fast that the bar will bend from the force you apply to it!

I'm sure that the way I'm describing this drill is quite different than what PP is saying about it, but just trust me on this one. It was my bread-and-butter drill. NO SWING! i.e. No swing about the hands. Don't use your hands as a fulcrum. Once PP gets his *&%$@# highbar built and publishes his highbar vids (our bet), I'll be coaching him on this too! :yes:

Oh BTW, due to the camera angle, I can't see your right hand on the bar, but it sure seems like you've reversed it. No? The thumbs of both hands should point towards each other - just like when you do giants. If you reversed your right hand, tell me why. Then tell me why I'm recommending a "normal" grip - if you can.

Your hip circles are fine for a beginner, but since you have an IMPRESSIVE gymnastics background, I don't consider you a beginner. So it's time you start trying to do them without touching the bar. Once you can do that, then I'll be asking you to GRADUALLY do a hip-circle-to-handstand, with the exact same setup and rotation around the bar as you're doing on this vid, except that you're EVENTUALLY going to be shooting it to a handstand (instead of just rotating around the bar).

To give you a bit of a hint on this, you need to rotate around the bar with STRAIGHT ARMS. I'll just give you a few hints each week, as I watch your progression. But you do understand the end-goal of these, right? Tell me what part of the vault they simulate. Don't worry if it take a couple months to perfect these. You have time before the outdoor season! :)

OK, that's it for now. Please ask me for any clarifications if I've confused you with any of this advice.

Kirk
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Re: My HS Sr. Year Training Blog (by Joe Six-Pack)

Unread postby KirkB » Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:18 pm

6P and PP, you've both been failing your pop quizzes miserably so far, :no: so I'm going to give you one last chance to tell me what you think are the correct answers to these 7-8 questions. Then, without belaboring my point any longer, I'm simply going to tell you the answers. Come Spring, you need to understand all this stuff, so the sooner you learn it, the better. It's all very FUNDAMENTAL!

I've altered the question numbers slightly (just to keep them in order), and added a qualifier to #7. Other than that, they're exactly the same questions as before.

I know that PP is dying to tell me his new answers, but I'm still waiting to hear from 6P. So go ahead, 6P.

Then PP can tell us where he THINKS you're right or wrong.

Then I'll tell you BOTH where you're right or wrong, and why. Let's try to wrap this up in the next day or two, so we can move on to new stuff, OK? :yes: But we can't move on til you get these fundamentals!

0. How long did it take you to become a good tumbler?

6P, I pasted your original answer to this one, since it's not the type of question that I can dispute your answer on. But this question (and your answer) is important because tumbling is like vaulting and any other sport - there's not silver bullets, it's going to take time to learn some of these tricks - and some vault parts. I hope you get this point.
joebro391 wrote:hmmm...that's a toughy. i always used to do crazy acrobatic stuff (like hanging for the monkey bars and age 3) or doing handstands and cartwheels in elementary school. and then ... i just had a lot of power, and it was just a matter of not being afraid and going for the flip. that's how i started vaulting. my head coach saw me do a flip in gym class and said "yea...he's a vaulter" hehehe

1. Now is imprinting good, or is it bad?

2. So if I have a lot of power in my legs, and I'm fearless, then I too will be able to do a standing front somi?

3. So if I lift heavy weights to get even MORE power in my legs, then my standing front somi will be even more perfect?

4. If I cut my somi speed of rotation in half, what would I land on?

5. In your standing back somi, HOW were you able to land on your feet?

6. If Kandew took the time to coach both Hex and Penz, who would master the trick first?

7. Who would master it best, and why (say, after one month of practice)?

Remember: None of these are trick questions. They just require simple, straight-forward answers.

I look forward to your answers!

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Re: My HS Sr. Year Training Blog (by Joe Six-Pack)

Unread postby Thats.What.She.Said » Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:43 pm

powerplant42 wrote:And it's a friggin' sweet one too!

(I was ticked off at Palins' 'Miss Cutsie' attitude that night or whatever, so I called him Joe six-pack... Joe the plumber works too! But I don't like it as much... not enough 'ring' to it.)


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ooooooh that explains a lot.

and 6P i was asking what the electon had to do with it, i knew that the whole 6 pack thing was a nickname jeeze.
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Re: My HS Sr. Year Training Blog (by Joe Six-Pack)

Unread postby joebro391 » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:01 pm

KirkB wrote: Oh BTW, due to the camera angle, I can't see your right hand on the bar, but it sure seems like you've reversed it. No? The thumbs of both hands should point towards each other - just like when you do giants. If you reversed your right hand, tell me why. Then tell me why I'm recommending a "normal" grip - if you can.

Kirk

OH, so my logic behind my grip is simple. Most people can agree, that the pole becomes like a high-bar in a full vault. This is even more clear when you think about how most of the methods used to add energey to the system (or at least, the methods used, to NOT LOSE engery) are similar to that, used on a High-Bar. EX: keeping arms long and what not. SO, my grips is this (AS A RIGHTY) left palm faces away from me, and right palm faces towards me. that would simulate the pole, after it bends, and twists to the left, in the box. cool??
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Re: My HS Sr. Year Training Blog (by Joe Six-Pack)

Unread postby gymnastsrock » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:04 pm

rainbowgirl28 wrote:
gymnastsrock wrote:I was just wondering because I've been doing kips for 7 years, and free hips for 4, and I never knew it would help pole vaulting. lol


Back uprises to free hips will help you even more: http://www.polevaultpower.com/media/vid ... anddrills/ ;)


Already in my bars routine. lol
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Re: My HS Sr. Year Training Blog (by Joe Six-Pack)

Unread postby powerplant42 » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:44 pm

keeping arms long and what not. SO, my grips is this (AS A RIGHTY) left palm faces away from me, and right palm faces towards me. that would simulate the pole, after it bends, and twists to the left, in the box.


It will also tend to turn your body to the left. :no:

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Re: My HS Sr. Year Training Blog (by Joe Six-Pack)

Unread postby joebro391 » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:52 pm

KirkB wrote: 1. Now is imprinting good, or is it bad?

Imprinting is good, provided what is being imprinted is proper. Especially in an event such as pole vaulting, things must eventually be done, subconciously. If people couldn't do things, naturally, we'd never be able to sleep, cause we'd always be telling ourselves to breath haha (to the extreme)

2. So if I have a lot of power in my legs, and I'm fearless, then I too will be able to do a standing front somi?

Potentially. It helps to have leg power and be fearless, but you must also have proper technique, which is aqquired through practice.

3. So if I lift heavy weights to get even MORE power in my legs, then my standing front somi will be even more perfect?

No, in order to do a front somi, you must be able to utalize the swinging motion of your arms. If you have strong legs, but can't iniate the roation of your body, you'll jump up, start to lean forward, and crash on your back or butt.

4. If I cut my somi speed of rotation in half, what would I land on?

a** haha. or back, depending on how high you initaially jump. personally, if you jump real high, but CAN NOT start the rotation, you'll land on your back, and it'll suck haha

5. In your standing back somi, HOW were you able to land on your feet?

Confidense, Ability, Luck. I only say luck, because i HAVE seen pro-gymnasts over-rotate and land on their arse

6. If Kandew took the time to coach both Hex and Penz, who would master the trick first?

I believe that Hex would master it first because, although Penz is strong, since he's only been 'lifting' he has 'static' strength, not the 'dymnamic' strength, that Hex has from prior vaulting and training.

7. Who would master it best, and why (say, after one month of practice)?

That honestly depends. I mean, look at Tim Mac. He only went 13'6 in high school. i feel it really depends on the students learning curve and 'WANTING' of the move. but really...my money's on Hex, again haha
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