Why Manifesto?

[agapit]

Why Manifesto?

First the greatest http://www.stabhoch.com/movies/19920713_Bubka_611.mov

I want to raise awareness, to what I think is possible now. I am working with the desire for vaulters as a community to finally shift to the level of thinking that is out there for 20 years now, but for some reason it is very illusive for many people. I am tired of 19’ being a decent vault. I think it should long be an opening height for elite vaulters. I think it is time to have a paradigm shift in the vaulting community. I enjoyed working with Lawrence Johnson because he thought of the 21’ as his real objective and despite different obstacles he achieve good results, by the way in some competitions he successfully opened 19’. I believe, he is still and American Indoor Record Holder. I think his issue is that he did not have one season since 1992 without a major injury including the last year.

Vaulters need to move beyond technique and into athletism. Beyond complex vaulting models into simple streamlined model where athletic ability becomes the greatest factor. Bubka was not the greatest athlete when he was 18 years old, but his way of looking at the vault demanded his athletic development. They have discovered a way where the vault demanded athletic performance and I say this is the most important revelation you can realize from Bubka’s experience.

The number one advantage of the new model (20 years old) is that it puts athletic ability way above technique, because technique is simplified to the basics and the only other thing that matters from the technical point of view is consistency of movement.

So when I say 10.2 m/s speed on the runway I mean athletic performance. When I say 22’6â€Â

[VaultBrad]

Start thinking of the vault as a vault with a rigid pole and if something does not fit into the rigid pole model it is probably a wrong thing to do. It is like WWRPVD – what would rigid pole vaulter do?


i completely agree. it makes so much more sense. the rigid pole vaulters figured it out and the basic principles apply also to fiberglass pole vaulting.

[Robert schmitt]

WWRPVD – what would rigid pole vaulter do?

I'm getting a braclet like that

[agapit]

WWRPVD – what would rigid pole vaulter do?

I'm getting a braclet like that

that was just for fun. LOL
agapit

[gtc]

Why don't we just have a long jump contest and say the winner of that is the winner of the vault competition. Would be quicker easier and safer.
And we could really streamline technique.

[agapit]

Why don't we just have a long jump contest and say the winner of that is the winner of the vault competition. Would be quicker easier and safer.
And we could really streamline technique.

Well you would not expect someone who runs 12 sec on 100m to vault 18' ah? There are rought stanrards of athletic ability that go with the level of performance in the vault. I think it is very comon. I agree however that there is a lot of room and I have seen peolpe that run 11.3 vault 18' for example.

It would also take an extraordinary show of some kind to vault 21' and not to run 10.2 m/s at the end of approach.

agapit

[gtc]

Then my question is do you honestly believe someone that run's an 11.3 100 meter's can jump 18' using the "6.40 model"? or would they be better served with a slightly different variation?

[agapit]

Then my question is do you honestly believe someone that run's an 11.3 100 meter's can jump 18' using the "6.40 model"? or would they be better served with a slightly different variation?

Victor Parnov jumped 19’ (in late 80s) with 11.1 best 100m speed (if I remember correctly), so 11.3 sec on 100m speed ability is a possibility for 18’, however it is a push. Head wind and you are scrd. It depends in large how well you can maintain speed on the last 5m of the approach. Some people run 10.8 100m and do 9.2m/s on the last 5m of the approach.

That is not to say that Victor Parnov used 6.40 Model when he vaulted. In my judgment, 6.40 model is equally beneficial for any speed ability.

[altius]

Have come to this topic very late so i hope we can bring it back to life! There seems to be a feeling in the USA that the key factor in good vault performance is 'athleticism' and especially sprinting speed. This is bad for several reasons. If you DO accept the premise that vault performance is tightly linked to sprinting speed -as measured by 100 metre times - how can a mature athlete ever improve in the vault? We all know that absolute flat chat sprinting speed is very difficult to significantly improve once you are a mature athlete - if they are as tightly linked as some folk believe how do you improve?? You have locked yourself in to your 100 metre speed -which is crazy and more importantly WRONG!

What really matters is your runway efficiency -especially over the last five metres into take off. This along with a solid body and an effective free take off will determine the amount of the kinetic energy with which you hit the pole. it was the fact that Bubka was able to accelerate through the last five metres and hit the pole with this solid body with very little loss of kinetic energy before the pole tip hit the back of the box which was the crucial factor in him jumping high -not the simple fact of his 100 metre speed. That was why he could use 5.20/10.5 flex poles.

I will try and get the figures for Paul Burgess of OZ because i doubt that he has blazing flat chat speed -and he has vaulted 6. Of course speed IS a factor to the extent that if your pr is 13 seconds for a 100 metres at the age of 20 there is no chance you will jump 6.00 metres -at least not that year!

A sound technical model is the key. it gives every vaulter a chance to continue to jump higher as they improve elements of their technique. i agree with Agapit and Petrov incidentally who feels that physically talented athletes should be looking at 6.10/6.20 not 6.00 metres and certainy not 19'! The sooner US vaulters start thinking in metric -and join the real world - the better off they will be.