Tell me if this is legal

[VaultMarq26]

is rosin the stuff that makes yer hands and grip area all black n cool n stuff? where can you buy that?

No that sounds like a type of tar. Rosin is white and looks like ground up chalk....baseball pitchers have a rosin bag on the mound with them. It absorbes moisture really well.

[wayupthere]

I live in in state like Michigan. Its called Indiana. It rains every other day. A true vaulter doesnt risk winning the state championship just to jump in rain.

A true champion wins the title no matter the weather.

he means not risking getting hurt for a crappy meet if its raining because he could possibly be a cotender for the state title later in the season

[skyshark177]

Seriously guys, are we kidding around here?
If the weather is bad enough to make to pole's tape wet to the point where at least ONE vaulter's hand slips, you should postpone the vault until there is no rain or in fact another day with good conditions.
You as a vaulter, should talk to your head coach during the meet and explain to him/her that you feel that the vault official is not making a very good decision on calling the event. Your coach can then speak to the head official of the meet or even the meet manager about delaying it. If that doesn't work, your coach can of course protest officially. There is a process in which you can have a committee created during the meet with all the head coaches to figure out what they should do. This happened to me at my State meet, years ago. My hand slipped off and they postponed the event for like 4 hours until it was great outside. of course the Pole Vault lasted until like 2 hours after the entire State meet ended but it was run during safe conditions.
A smart vaulter doesn't try to test themselves in bad conditions. But, don't get me wrong, I hate it when bad conditions stop the vault, I love to compete just like the next vaulter. But as a coach, I always think safety first. If you have too bring more tape, chalk, or resin do it. If you have to bring extra towels or even a plastic bag, do it. But, not every vaulter is going to have any of these items all the time. This is unfortunate and hopefully other vaulters can help them out.
The bottom line is, safety first people, don't forget this.

[master]

Seriously guys, are we kidding around here?
... (all this is good too) ...
The bottom line is, safety first people, don't forget this.

Thank you skyshark177. You brought a reality check to this topic.

- master

[VaultMarq26]

But doesn't a huge tail wind or very hot temperatures also increase the risk of injury with pole vault....It will increase the chances of breaking a pole. Should a meet then be called because it is too strong of a tail wind?

[skyshark177]

But doesn't a huge tail wind or very hot temperatures also increase the risk of injury with pole vault....It will increase the chances of breaking a pole. Should a meet then be called because it is too strong of a tail wind?

Your absolutely right. You just need to make the best decision. There are many kinds of conditions that can delay any sporting event. You have to decided on them on a case-by-case bases.

[ADTF Academy]

Seriously guys, are we kidding around here?
If the weather is bad enough to make to pole's tape wet to the point where at least ONE vaulter's hand slips, you should postpone the vault until there is no rain or in fact another day with good conditions.

I agree with monsun rain. If you can't see in front of you then postpone. Then again the entire meet should be called off. But what if that one vaulter whose hand slipped left his pole out in the rain the entire time.

The issue I think is interested no one brings up is the footing on the track. If it is a light ran you can keep your hands dry enough not to be an issue unless mentally you make it one. Rain on the running surface espically if you plant under with locked out arms. Those vaulters are in more danger than anyone.


Here is another good one. What if your a sweaty person whose hands are natually wet. Does this mean if it gets warm out and that persons hand slips the entire meet should be postponed out of saftey issues.


Wet palms from the rain or sweat are both dangerous.

[rainbowgirl28]

I like a wet runway. It makes my pole tip slide really fast

[LHSpolevault]

I like a wet runway. It makes my pole tip slide really fast

lol pole pushers.

[skyshark177]

Of course, these judgment calls are left up to the responsibility of the PV official. Not everyone can see that it could of been a take off step that was in.

As far as the slip of the hand because of sweat is going to happen, of course. Keenon King at the 2004 Summit NH'd and it was indoors, you can see that at www.neovault.com. Of course the event wasn't canceled, but his hand did slip.

But, stopping the event because of rain is a good reason. Like I said before, there will be those athletes that are not prepared for those situations. This is a thing the official has to deal with. if the kid slips, the pole is probably wet because of the rain. Remember, I'm only talking about Rain now. Everyone can decipher between a monsoon, typhoon, hurricane, tropical storm, hard rain, light rain, whatever.

Again, this is the judgment of the official to postpone it if a kid slips. I'm sure it doesn't happen as much in College meets, gosh I hope those athletes are prepared for those kinds of conditions.
If we're talking about different kinds of conditions, think about this one. The temperature is so cold and has very light rain that would make the athlete's hands so cold that they can't grip the pole, then yes their hand would probably slip.
Like I said, there are many different conditions that would postpone the event.

I'm sure that the meet in question for this topic was on the boarder of postponing the event.

The reason I'm putting my two cents into this topic is because I've witnessed too many officials proceed with the event when they should of postponed it.

Officials should explain to all the vaulters that if the conditions are to that point where they need to keep the poles covered, they should tell them at the beginning or just as the rain starts. During the event the official should keep a constant eye out where all the poles are and make sure those athletes are keeping them dry. I always have a lot of roles of tape with me if the pole needs to be retaped. I have no problem with letting another athlete from another school use some tape.

Remember, Safety First!!!!!!

[ADTF Academy]

here is another good one.


What if you know it is suppose to rain and the meet starts and an athlete passes.


He or she continues to pass and just before they come in it starts to pour.


Does the entire meet get called off due to far competition or is it the coaches and vaulters fault for not coming in earlier knowing that it might rain.

We could go on and on. Here is another one. You know it is not good weather and instead of changing your hand grip you continue to hold to high with a slight head wind or better yet rain. Whose fault is it?


The weather or the vaulter and coach for not lowering the grip or using a smaller pole to clear the height and move on. In most meets if your the better vaulter don't go for a record go for the points and stop.

[skyshark177]

Yeah, you're correct. I agree, we could go on and on.
There's a lot of "what if's".
Mother nature, she's a SOB.
But, that's why they should postpone it or reschedule it. I've seen the Vault get postpone or rescheduled and not the other events. They won't cancel certain meets unless there's too strong of a rain storm or there's thunder or lightning of course.
So, they'll stop the vault before the entire meet is stopped because of certain weather conditions.